So the other day, I finally saw Men In Black III, and there was one location that stood out:

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Located in Chinatown, Wu’s is THE Chinese restaurant all directors beg us to find.

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From the paper lanterns and intricate woodwork…

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…to the numerous fish tanks and detailed wallpaper.

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Throw in the hanging ducks in the window, and you’ve got every director’s ideal Chinese restaurant filming location.

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And of course, I immediately knew that Wu’s was fake, built from scratch on a soundstage.

Why? Because this location does not exist in Manhattan.

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Literally every time I get asked to find a Chinese restaurant, it’s the same description. “I want a place with really over-the-top Chinese decor,” our director will say. “Remember that one in Seinfeld? That’d be great.”

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“The key is red wallpaper,” our director will tell us. “We need a place with red wallpaper. With designs on the wallpaper too, maybe in gold.”

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“But red is key. Oh, and some woodwork. You know, like in Glengarry Glen Ross? That’d be perfect.”

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“Hey, and be on the lookout for dragons. Golden dragons would be awesome. Remember the movie The Fisher King?”

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“But really, just go for that classic over-the-top look. You’ve probably never seen Mickey Blue Eyes, but wasn’t there something in that like what I’m describing? You know what I mean?”

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I know exactly what he means. There’s only one problem: this is what your average Chinatown restaurant looks like.

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Here’s another:

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And another. White walls, a few bits of ornamentation on a wall or two, some chandeliers…and that’s it. Seriously, this is the norm.

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But try and convince a director of this, and they will look at you like you just moved to the city last week. “Are you SERIOUSLY telling me,” they will ask incredulously, “that there isn’t a single Chinese restaurant in all of Manhattan with red wallpaper and crazy ornamentation???”

Yes. That is what I’m telling you. And if you don’t believe me, you’d probably have a heart attack if I told you a good number of New York Chinese restaurants look like this:

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This is a major problem you run into while scouting in New York – people assume NYC has EVERYTHING, and when you tell them it doesn’t, they think you’re 1) wrong, and 2) not doing your job.

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That isn’t to say that New York doesn’t have some really neat Chinese restaurants. Some of the epic dim sum places sort of have the right decor we’re being asked for – but they’re ridiculously massive in size and very pricey to film in, if they’d even consider it.

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So that’s a definite no. Having shown the reality of most Chinese restaurants, you move on to options that, while not entirely meeting their description, still have some really fantastic character. I love this restaurant, especially the enormous tree in the back.

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Ditto this place, which has a lot of great character without descending into the orientalism-on-steroids restaurant I’m being asked to find.

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Or hey, what about this one up by Columbia? Sure it’s simple, but it at least has that intricate wallpaper (though not red). Maybe throw a few golden dragon statues in and we’re good?

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Directors will not like any of this. “Why is there a tree in that first place? And why don’t any of them have red wallpaper? Keep looking!!!”

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But we will inevitably come up short. As a last ditch effort, directors will occasionally suggest we scout the Nom Wah Tea Parlor, confident that a place in business since 1927 MUST have the character we’re looking for (and proof we don’t know what we’re talking about). Alas, while I love Nom Wah, the interior looks more like a diner than a Chinese restaurant.

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Directors will usually be very frustrated at this point. “But it has to be out there! That classic over-the-top Chinese restaurant you used to go to on the highway as a kid!!”

And therein lies the problem. We’re not on a highway; we’re in New York.

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I don’t know anything about the history of Chinese restaurant decor in America, but I wouldn’t be surprised if, early on, part of the draw was in presenting patrons with an EPCOT-like level of intense orientalism. Not only are you dining, you’re also going on an exotic vacation.

Here’s a 1906 picture of a Chinatown restaurant called Chinese Tuxedo, which is EXACTLY what our director is looking for.

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Ephemeral New York dug up a great quote from a 1920 restaurant review guide which describes this kind of establishment:

“Few homegrown Chinese take nourishment in these places, because they feel kind of out of place and they hate to break in on the nice white people from uptown and Brooklyn. But the waiters are all Chinese, for the same reason that the walls have Chinese dragon tapestry. The lights are shrouded in fantastic shades, and the place is redolent with the perfume of fire cracker punk, which exhales a not unpleasant odor.”

Another perfect option for our director is this defunct New York classic – Port Arthur, in business through 1959:

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But those days are gone. Chinese restaurants don’t need crazy decor anymore to convince New Yorkers that the cuisine is worthwhile. And while I really wish just one holdover from the 1940s or 1950s had survived into the modern age as a historical relic, they’re kaput, and no amount of scouting will bring them back.

It’s usually about this time that the director finally accepts the truth, and the decision is made to either go with one of the options we’ve scouted (with some added set dressing), or build it on a stage.

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I don’t blame directors for hating the plainer options I’ve shown above – white walls and minimal decor look absolutely terrible on film, and you’d never film in such a place.

But I really wish they’d realize that the reason they think New York is filled with MIB-style Chinese restaurants is not because of reality, but because of what they’ve seen in the movies and on TV. For a city that has nearly everything, there’s a LOT of alternatives to choose from, and I really hate having to fake the few things it doesn’t have just to do the same cliche over and over and over and over…

But you know what? My fortune cookie portends a future where this search will come up again and again. I guess I should forget it. It’s Chinatown.

Love to hear any memories you have bygone NY Chinese restaurants!

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PS – Oh, and as a sidenote, I’ve never eaten in a NYC Chinese restaurant with a guy like this.

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  1. Sprugman Avatar
    Sprugman

    Also, the Grand Sichuan on Amst and 74 is kind of in that vein. They have red walls, anyway.

  2. --E Avatar
    –E

    I second the admonitions to get out to Queens. King Yum is more tiki-bar-on-steroids than ornate chinoiserie, but definitely something to see.

    Following your thesis, you might also consider scouting Chinese restaurants in primarily white neighborhoods (try Queens and Nassau county). I go to Flushing to get good food, but there are still pockets of white people further east who like semicrappy Chinese food in an over-the-top setting.

    And I’m sure Philadelphia is too far, but there are a couple of places in Philly’s Chinatown that are still catering to ignorant tourists with red walls and woodwork.

  3. Michelle Klein-Hass Avatar

    Oddly enough, there are still a few LA Chinese restaurants that look like this. The Formosa Cafe is still very much in operation, and that’s a total time capsule. It got its most visible exposure in the movie LA Confidential. There are also the Chinese restaurants in “New” Chinatown…there’s even one in a pagoda (!) that was in the first Rush Hour movie. The old Chop Suey House in Little Tokyo was restored and is serving food again…it’s like something out of Blade Runner. Here’s a picture I took of it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/msgeek/5317371348/ . Seriously, if you want these kind of places, you don’t even have to leave the Thirty-Mile Zone to find locations. Why go all the way to NYC?

    1. John Jung Avatar

      the actual name of this restaurant is ‘Far East Cafe ‘ not ‘Chop Suey’…and the new owners do not serve the same type of food.

  4. tseyang Avatar
    tseyang

    Tse Yang on 51st behind the NY Palace Hotel has red wall paper with Chinese characters, fish tanks and wooden lattices all over the place. Plus an over-sized Buddha and some caricature staff. You can’t go wrong.

  5. svourvoulias Avatar

    Su Xing House in Philadelphia’s got the woodwork (go to photo #8) and that’s half the battle right?http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/su-xing-house-philadelphia?select=Dql4mKf0uG7vsdffMfbgrA#Dql4mKf0uG7vsdffMfbgrA

  6. niko Avatar
    niko

    Los Angelese directors might assume you have something like the Good Luck Bar: https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&safe=off&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1100&bih=1037&q=good+luck+bar&oq=good+luck+bar&gs_l=img.3..0i24l10.969.2567.0.2799.13.11.0.2.2.0.102.498.10j1.11.0…0.0…1ac.1.yGPKsWEH7LI

  7. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    Even in China they don’t look like that the one in MIB.

  8. db Avatar
    db

    You really need to check out Philly’s Chinatown. Here’s Joy Tsin Lau, and you’d probably find others as well.

    http://joytsinlauchineserestaurant.com/Photo.asp?page=1

  9. James Li Avatar
    James Li

    DP, Sam Wo in San Francisco may still reopen if they can raise enough money to bring the place up to code.

    http://insidescoopsf.sfgate.com/blog/2012/09/25/sam-wos-comeback-is-underway/

  10. Michael Avatar
    Michael

    Check out SEA in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. For the Chinese New Year, they have a giant dragon kite thing they hang over their indoor pond. It’s a big space with a lot of room for cameras and equipment.

  11. John Bailo Avatar
    John Bailo

    No, this is what your typical Chinese restaurant looks like today:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dbDYB4QiIFE/TSlNZEZm9UI/AAAAAAAAAAc/HkKOOHG-e-4/s1600/panda+express.jpg

  12. Simon Avatar
    Simon

    You could make a short film (or dare I say a skit similar to something in Porlandia) about trying to find the perfect Chinese Restaurant.

  13. marco Avatar
    marco

    There are a few on the east side of Bowery, south of Houston, that might fit the bill. A lot more garish that the Chinese restaurants more tucked into Chinatown.

  14. Andy Avatar
    Andy

    Hey, I went to Port Arthur on Mott Street in the 1970s for lunch once. On an upper floor, almost empty and not good at all. It did look pretty much like in the post card picture. So it must have lasted longer than 1959.

  15. Pete Avatar
    Pete

    Scout–Hunan Taste Chinese Restaurant in Denville NJ is the over-the-top Chinese place. It’s only about 35 minutes outside Manhattan. Koi ponds, fishtanks, gold embellishment, red and black lacquer, a large framed ink brush painting of wild horses running. Its all drama and glitz–lots of fun. And the food is good, too.

    http://hunantaste.com/

  16. Steve Newman Avatar
    Steve Newman

    They had to rebuild one of a corner booths in Canton for To Wong Foo, turning it 45 degrees from everything else in the u-shaped tiers restaurant to get the shot, abd the booth remained that way. A whole floor upstairs in a 1920s commercial bldg, the place had a bar and large open space in the center front used waay back for dancing, whatever. There was a large group of drag queens assembled as extras but they were all cut – none of them are in short close up scene. [Close friend went].

    1. K Avatar
      K

      The locals that first brought me there used to refer to the place as the Canton Casino. Local legend was that it started out as a speakeasy and evolved into a night club during early incarnations after prohibition. It had strange signage at street level that was reminiscent of a theatre marque. Nothing that would give you any indication of the gem you would find upstairs.

  17. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    76 comments, and no one ID’ed the Columbia-area restaurant as Columbia Cottage?!?

  18. Scott Avatar
    Scott

    Check out Hunan Taste in Denville, NJ. I think it comes close to what all those directors are looking for: http://m.yelp.com/biz/hunan-taste-chinese-restaurant-denville

  19. Supersita Avatar
    Supersita

    Speak the truth, Scout! Thanks for pointing out how that Red-Walled Chinese restaurant lives on in our collective imaginations.

  20. Liman Avatar
    Liman

    You would have loved Flower Drum. Second, between 45-46th. Clearly inspired by the musical. Red and gold everything. Huge red pillars with gold dragons in relief. But somehow tasteful in its excess. Touristy? I guess, but in midtown everyone knew it wasn’t authentic… wasn’t trying to be. It was really good, though.. If you were a tourist, you wouldn’t go there for Chinese, you’d go to Mott Street. Long gone.