So the other day, I finally saw Men In Black III, and there was one location that stood out:

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Located in Chinatown, Wu’s is THE Chinese restaurant all directors beg us to find.

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From the paper lanterns and intricate woodwork…

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…to the numerous fish tanks and detailed wallpaper.

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Throw in the hanging ducks in the window, and you’ve got every director’s ideal Chinese restaurant filming location.

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And of course, I immediately knew that Wu’s was fake, built from scratch on a soundstage.

Why? Because this location does not exist in Manhattan.

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Literally every time I get asked to find a Chinese restaurant, it’s the same description. “I want a place with really over-the-top Chinese decor,” our director will say. “Remember that one in Seinfeld? That’d be great.”

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“The key is red wallpaper,” our director will tell us. “We need a place with red wallpaper. With designs on the wallpaper too, maybe in gold.”

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“But red is key. Oh, and some woodwork. You know, like in Glengarry Glen Ross? That’d be perfect.”

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“Hey, and be on the lookout for dragons. Golden dragons would be awesome. Remember the movie The Fisher King?”

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“But really, just go for that classic over-the-top look. You’ve probably never seen Mickey Blue Eyes, but wasn’t there something in that like what I’m describing? You know what I mean?”

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I know exactly what he means. There’s only one problem: this is what your average Chinatown restaurant looks like.

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Here’s another:

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And another. White walls, a few bits of ornamentation on a wall or two, some chandeliers…and that’s it. Seriously, this is the norm.

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But try and convince a director of this, and they will look at you like you just moved to the city last week. “Are you SERIOUSLY telling me,” they will ask incredulously, “that there isn’t a single Chinese restaurant in all of Manhattan with red wallpaper and crazy ornamentation???”

Yes. That is what I’m telling you. And if you don’t believe me, you’d probably have a heart attack if I told you a good number of New York Chinese restaurants look like this:

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This is a major problem you run into while scouting in New York – people assume NYC has EVERYTHING, and when you tell them it doesn’t, they think you’re 1) wrong, and 2) not doing your job.

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That isn’t to say that New York doesn’t have some really neat Chinese restaurants. Some of the epic dim sum places sort of have the right decor we’re being asked for – but they’re ridiculously massive in size and very pricey to film in, if they’d even consider it.

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So that’s a definite no. Having shown the reality of most Chinese restaurants, you move on to options that, while not entirely meeting their description, still have some really fantastic character. I love this restaurant, especially the enormous tree in the back.

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Ditto this place, which has a lot of great character without descending into the orientalism-on-steroids restaurant I’m being asked to find.

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Or hey, what about this one up by Columbia? Sure it’s simple, but it at least has that intricate wallpaper (though not red). Maybe throw a few golden dragon statues in and we’re good?

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Directors will not like any of this. “Why is there a tree in that first place? And why don’t any of them have red wallpaper? Keep looking!!!”

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But we will inevitably come up short. As a last ditch effort, directors will occasionally suggest we scout the Nom Wah Tea Parlor, confident that a place in business since 1927 MUST have the character we’re looking for (and proof we don’t know what we’re talking about). Alas, while I love Nom Wah, the interior looks more like a diner than a Chinese restaurant.

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Directors will usually be very frustrated at this point. “But it has to be out there! That classic over-the-top Chinese restaurant you used to go to on the highway as a kid!!”

And therein lies the problem. We’re not on a highway; we’re in New York.

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I don’t know anything about the history of Chinese restaurant decor in America, but I wouldn’t be surprised if, early on, part of the draw was in presenting patrons with an EPCOT-like level of intense orientalism. Not only are you dining, you’re also going on an exotic vacation.

Here’s a 1906 picture of a Chinatown restaurant called Chinese Tuxedo, which is EXACTLY what our director is looking for.

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Ephemeral New York dug up a great quote from a 1920 restaurant review guide which describes this kind of establishment:

“Few homegrown Chinese take nourishment in these places, because they feel kind of out of place and they hate to break in on the nice white people from uptown and Brooklyn. But the waiters are all Chinese, for the same reason that the walls have Chinese dragon tapestry. The lights are shrouded in fantastic shades, and the place is redolent with the perfume of fire cracker punk, which exhales a not unpleasant odor.”

Another perfect option for our director is this defunct New York classic – Port Arthur, in business through 1959:

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But those days are gone. Chinese restaurants don’t need crazy decor anymore to convince New Yorkers that the cuisine is worthwhile. And while I really wish just one holdover from the 1940s or 1950s had survived into the modern age as a historical relic, they’re kaput, and no amount of scouting will bring them back.

It’s usually about this time that the director finally accepts the truth, and the decision is made to either go with one of the options we’ve scouted (with some added set dressing), or build it on a stage.

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I don’t blame directors for hating the plainer options I’ve shown above – white walls and minimal decor look absolutely terrible on film, and you’d never film in such a place.

But I really wish they’d realize that the reason they think New York is filled with MIB-style Chinese restaurants is not because of reality, but because of what they’ve seen in the movies and on TV. For a city that has nearly everything, there’s a LOT of alternatives to choose from, and I really hate having to fake the few things it doesn’t have just to do the same cliche over and over and over and over…

But you know what? My fortune cookie portends a future where this search will come up again and again. I guess I should forget it. It’s Chinatown.

Love to hear any memories you have bygone NY Chinese restaurants!

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PS – Oh, and as a sidenote, I’ve never eaten in a NYC Chinese restaurant with a guy like this.

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  1. Arun Avatar
    Arun

    What’s the name of the restaurant with the big tree? I went there 6 years ago and have trying to find out the name.

    1. wombatarama Avatar

      I also want to know the name of that one. The heck with movies, I want to eat there. Is the food good?

      1. LL Avatar
        LL

        Appalling that mainstream American media has not caught up with the times and continues to find it acceptable to perpetuate ignorant,exotic, one dimensional, Chinese/East Asian racial stereotypes. They may think twice when it comes to offending Latinos/Hispanics, Blacks, Italians, Jews, but it’s not acceptable to continue to think it’s okay to depict inaccurate and offensive images of Asians.

        It’s one thing for directors to romanticize the old school, cliche, red wall papered Chinese restaurant settings of bygone days with scenes of eating Chinese takeout, chopsticks, sipping hot tea.( Btw, there is a reason why these type restaurants are practically extinct now, it’s called progress.) It crosses the line with racist casting of the subservient oriental side kicks, exotic little flower Chinese ladies, and the socially inept Asian braniac. Get with the times, Hollywood.

        1. Alex Avatar
          Alex

          You didn’t answer wombatarama’s question at all. Actually, reading your comment, it seems you never even saw he asked a question.

          Did you actually think your comment was helpful, or do you not understand how replies work?

          1. LL Avatar
            LL

            Thanks for your helpful reply, Alex.

        2. Anderson Avatar
          Anderson

          Oh poor LL, boo hoo.

          Don’t worry. I still love you long time.

          1. hello Avatar
            hello

            you are not funny…moron.

          2. Jersey Gadfly Avatar
            Jersey Gadfly

            Actually he kind of was

        3. Jake Bottero Avatar
          Jake Bottero

          Good grief, LL.

        4. MarkinTex Avatar
          MarkinTex

          Wow, what a pissy, misplaced rant.

          And then there’s this:
          “romanticize the old school, cliche, red wall papered Chinese restaurant settings of bygone days with scenes of eating Chinese takeout, chopsticks, sipping hot tea.( Btw, there is a reason why these type restaurants are practically extinct now, it’s called progress.”

          Really, you consider the institutional feel of plain white sheetrock walls and acoustic tile drop ceilings “progress” over colorful, atmospheric old-school restaurants? Well, I’m glad so many restaurants in Houston’s Chinatown have not “progressed.”

    2. Jack Avatar
      Jack

      I think it might be Jaya? Delicious Malaysian place on Baxter? Not sure though, it’s been a while

    3. vomitor Avatar

      Isn’t it Congee Village on Allen St.?

      1. ThomasF Avatar
        ThomasF

        It is Congee Village. Photo album on Yelp has picture shot from a similar angle.

    4. Jack Avatar
      Jack

      oh yeah, I guess it is congee; I’ve never eaten in that part, man that place is cavernous

    5. Brian Avatar
      Brian

      I think you are referring to Penang, a Malaysian restaurant that used to be in the East Village on 11th Street and 3rd Avenue as I recall. I used to go there when I was an NYU student years ago, but I just checked and it looks like that location isn’t in operation anymore. Food was good.

    6. Ty Avatar
      Ty

      The one with the tree is New Yeah Shanghai Deluxe on Bayard Street. I live across from it!

      1. Chris Avatar
        Chris

        Sorry Ty, that’s definitely congee village. I lived above it for 6 years.

        1. Jersey Gadfly Avatar
          Jersey Gadfly

          You are sort of right Chris, this is not Congee Village on Allen but Congee Bowery. Same company, different location. The interior of Congee Village is more natural log rustic. The Bowery location has plantation house refined vibe going on, imho

    7. ThomasF Avatar
      ThomasF

      It’s Congee Village located at 100 Allen St

  2. Jordan Avatar
    Jordan

    I remember going to a Chinese restaurant that came close to fitting the bill right off Journal Square in Jersey City. It was very old, decor from the 40s, do not recall the name. In fact, it had achieved some fame for films & TV shows shot in the dining room there. Ate there before seeing a screening of West Side Story at Loews Jersey City theater maybe back in… 2000? The restaurant was on the 2nd floor of what may have been an office building (?) which may have been torn down since then. Did not see an image of it on Google maps. That’s all I got.

    1. K Avatar
      K

      The Canton. It had red lacqor walls. The food was not that great but the decor was over the top and worth the cost of a meal. They filmed “To Wong Foo, thanks for everything! Julie Newmar” there. Ate there myself several times with friends. Unfortunately it was one of those places you had to know about, or you would never find it. Last I heard, the space was torn appart and turned into a gym.

      I’m not sure if it exists anymore, but the Hong Kong pavilion from the NYC Worlds Fair was re-assembled at the El San Juan Hotel in Puerto Rico and functioned as a chinese resaurant for decades.

      Have you looked around at possible locations in Flushing?

      1. Anne Avatar
        Anne

        Yes – the Canton.

        In fact, it was redesigned…

        It was always this type – Exotic Orientalism for White People – but not originally quite as over the top as it was in To Wong Foo. (I lived in the area through the 80s and 90s…) The food tasted good, as long as you had no expectation of authenticity, you got a drink with a parasol, and this transplanted New Yorker used to eat there and be amused…

        In the early 90s it had a roof leak, with a lot of water damage, and closed for a while. The owners weren’t sure if they would be able to afford the repairs. Then they were contacted by the To Wong Foo people (one of whom lived in the area – I knew him.) They offered to pay for the repairs if they could film there – *and* if the rebuild was to their design. I had always said it looked like something in a Hollywood B movie – and they went with that as a design concept. Everything it had been and more. But it really was just a slight exaggeration of what had already been there.

        It got the restaurant another good ten years or so, but it’s gone, now. I no longer live there, so I’m not sure when or why it closed.

  3. Jay Avatar
    Jay

    Perhaps it’s time that Hollywood puts some money into an exisiting one and renovates it to their specifics. The old Ollie’s in Times Square (when it used to be on 44th Street) would have been a perfect choice for a retro-fit.

  4. danny Avatar
    danny

    oh man, i love this post. as a asian food blogger that’s been eating in chinatown for years, i know this is the truth.

    makes me wonder why a chinese restaurant doesn’t invest in that kind of decor to reign in potential extra income from being used as a set every now and then.

    1. Antony Avatar
      Antony

      Running a restaurant is a tough and back-breaking business…at least in Houston. Plus, those decor typically costs more money…lots and lots of up-front money. You can’t be sure that your business venture will succeed…so it makes sense to go back to the essential…focus on the food itself… making the food taste awesome… use the decor money to hire awesome chef.. screw the decor.

  5. R Avatar
    R

    The cliched red & dragon themed restaurants do exist, they’re just not for white tourists or homogenized Asians, so they remain a secret for the most part. The menus are Chinese and English is not spoken in these places, and it’s cash only.

    1. Antony Avatar
      Antony

      cash only because 1) they want to evade paying tax to uncle Sam as much as possible. 2) they worry their waiters would skim credit cards since the turn over rate is just too high to value the integrity of their waiters

      1. Says You Avatar
        Says You

        About 5% of a restaurant’s sales go to credit card fees. In a bad economy, going to cash-only is an easy way to maintain profit. Plenty of restaurants in New York do this, regardless of who owns them, and the IRS pays particular attention to cash-only restaurants.

        1. Andrew Avatar

          Sales tax and meal tax isn’t federal, so it wouldn’t be the IRS getting involved. Its the NY Dept of Revenue. As former Crazy Eddie CFO Sam Antar claims: “The joke around the NY state sales tax department ‘if you eliminate the sales tax, half the mom & pops would go out of business’” http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/08/into_the_mind_of_a_financial_c.html (at about 4:47 into the segment)

      2. RabbitY Avatar
        RabbitY

        Names and addresses on the red&dragon themed sites, or I call 無用

  6. JTS Avatar
    JTS

    Do you ever scout in Flushing? There are a couple of places off Main Street or Kissena that kind of fit the bill you are looking for.

    And Danny, as a frequent visitor to Chinatown, I get into a friendly argument with Nathan about Chinatown and movies all the time. Parking sucks there at the best of times, and seeing those colored notices from the film crews on the parking meters down there makes most of us regular visitors seethe. You usually wind up parking blocks from where you want to go on a normal day, so the payments the film makes to the places on the street where they are actually filming does not cover the spill over inconvenience to the rest of the area. It got so bad that for a while the merchants got the city to put a moratorium on filming down there.

    Not that Flushing parking is much better, but I’d love to see the pain spread a little more. Nathan argues with me that the streets in Flushing are much wider and cleaner (and less smelly, but that doesn’t show up onscreen) so it doesn’t look the same. True that. But if these directors are willing to put up with a borderline racist travesty like the MIB restaurant, then versimilitude is not what they are going for, is it? No one outside the NY metro area would notice the difference anyway, and there area a few side streets with all-Chinese signage in Flushing that actually do mimic the narrow streets off Canal.

    Scout, if you want the names of the Flusing restaurants I am thinking of, email me, and I’ll send some pictures from the next time I’m down there in a week or so.

  7. If you're interested... Avatar
    If you’re interested…

    Those light fixtures from the MIB set are (were?) for sale at Film Biz Recycling. But be warned: they’re huge.

  8. walker Avatar
    walker

    Best over the top Chinese was on Wilshire in LA. Always shot there for NY. But now… sadly… its an International House of Pancakes… wtf?

  9. Susan Avatar
    Susan

    There used to be one around the corner from Sparks on 2nd Ave that would fit the bill of over the top oriental decor. There would be a fire there every few years and they would redecorate. I don’t see a listing anymore for it.

  10. Julie Avatar
    Julie

    The Congee Village on Allen St has a little bit of that look here and there

    http://www.restaurantsinyc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/congee-village.jpg

  11. DK Avatar
    DK

    Well ACTUALLY… Chinatown Brasserie in NoHo looks kind of like what you’re looking for.

    1. xomars Avatar
      xomars

      Now closed for business – http://www.chinatownbrasserie.com/

  12. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    I grew up in north Jersey, so the only over the top places I know of are there – the one that comes to mind is Lee’s Hawaiian Islander in North Arlington. There used to be at least a few more like that but I’m not sure if any have survived. I know Lee’s is still around because I went to it recently for dinner and it’s still the same. As the name suggests, it’s a bit more ‘islander’ oriented with little bamboo huts for booths, but it definitely fits the ‘over the top’ decor bill. There used to be another, similar place in Clifton and another right off Rt. 3 somewhere but I don’t know if either are still there.

    1. Jersey Gadfly Avatar
      Jersey Gadfly

      Pretty sure Lee’s is the last man standing of these Polynesian themed restaurants. Growing up in the Seventies it was always a thrill to go to one of these amazing theme restaurants. Very little of the food was memorable but the whole experience, from drinks in Pineapples and coconuts or festooned with fruits or flowers and umbrellas, to the flaming pu pu platter and beyond left us kids in awe. My families place of choice was the Jade Fountain, any of the three locations but Lee’s was always fun and There used to be a place up by Spring Valley that had a huge outrigger canoe.

  13. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    The Fung Lum in SoCal is long-since gone, but it fits the bill for over-the-top and occasional movies are shot in the closed building: http://www.thestudiotour.com/ush/attractions/food_funglum.shtml

  14. TheAustin Avatar
    TheAustin

    What about Ruby Foo’s, in Times Square? A tourist trap, for sure, but it would photograph beautifully.

  15. Acdubs Avatar
    Acdubs

    I second Congee Village. There are red curtains, tons of wood, plants everywhere, a stream of sorts, it’s like Vegas does Chinese, but lower key. I bet it could work for some things.

  16. H Avatar
    H

    To everyone suggesting Congee Village, you guys do realise it’s the first photo with the tree in the “imo it’s great, but not what they want” section, right?

  17. Richard Avatar
    Richard

    It has been a few years that I was here (and I hope nothing has changed since) but you might want to try King Yum in Hillcrest / Fresh Meadows(Queens) on Union Turnpike. It is a blend of Polynesian / Chinese / fantasy / whatever. (and the food is good too and say Hi to Helen if she is there)

  18. Kim Avatar
    Kim

    I love this quote from the 1920 restaurant review: “Few homegrown Chinese take nourishment in these places, because they feel kind of out of place and they hate to break in on the nice white people from uptown and Brooklyn.” No, it’s not cause they feel “out of place”. It’s cause they know they’re not serving real Chinese food there!

  19. Katrink Avatar
    Katrink

    You also might want to check out Brooklyn Chinatown on 8th Avenue.

  20. fifi Avatar
    fifi

    When I think of Chinese restaurant in NYC, I think of Sam Wo and Nam Wah. Sam Wo is the one that I think of most, since it is the one we went to when I was a child in the 1960s-70s. It was small and you had to go through the kitchen to get to the single stall bathroom. All of the cooks would wave and point at the bathroom door when you arrived in the kitchen. Nam Wah was my go to place when I was older and lived a couple of blocks away.