So the other day, I finally saw Men In Black III, and there was one location that stood out:

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Located in Chinatown, Wu’s is THE Chinese restaurant all directors beg us to find.

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From the paper lanterns and intricate woodwork…

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…to the numerous fish tanks and detailed wallpaper.

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Throw in the hanging ducks in the window, and you’ve got every director’s ideal Chinese restaurant filming location.

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And of course, I immediately knew that Wu’s was fake, built from scratch on a soundstage.

Why? Because this location does not exist in Manhattan.

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Literally every time I get asked to find a Chinese restaurant, it’s the same description. “I want a place with really over-the-top Chinese decor,” our director will say. “Remember that one in Seinfeld? That’d be great.”

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“The key is red wallpaper,” our director will tell us. “We need a place with red wallpaper. With designs on the wallpaper too, maybe in gold.”

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“But red is key. Oh, and some woodwork. You know, like in Glengarry Glen Ross? That’d be perfect.”

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“Hey, and be on the lookout for dragons. Golden dragons would be awesome. Remember the movie The Fisher King?”

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“But really, just go for that classic over-the-top look. You’ve probably never seen Mickey Blue Eyes, but wasn’t there something in that like what I’m describing? You know what I mean?”

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I know exactly what he means. There’s only one problem: this is what your average Chinatown restaurant looks like.

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Here’s another:

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And another. White walls, a few bits of ornamentation on a wall or two, some chandeliers…and that’s it. Seriously, this is the norm.

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But try and convince a director of this, and they will look at you like you just moved to the city last week. “Are you SERIOUSLY telling me,” they will ask incredulously, “that there isn’t a single Chinese restaurant in all of Manhattan with red wallpaper and crazy ornamentation???”

Yes. That is what I’m telling you. And if you don’t believe me, you’d probably have a heart attack if I told you a good number of New York Chinese restaurants look like this:

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This is a major problem you run into while scouting in New York – people assume NYC has EVERYTHING, and when you tell them it doesn’t, they think you’re 1) wrong, and 2) not doing your job.

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That isn’t to say that New York doesn’t have some really neat Chinese restaurants. Some of the epic dim sum places sort of have the right decor we’re being asked for – but they’re ridiculously massive in size and very pricey to film in, if they’d even consider it.

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So that’s a definite no. Having shown the reality of most Chinese restaurants, you move on to options that, while not entirely meeting their description, still have some really fantastic character. I love this restaurant, especially the enormous tree in the back.

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Ditto this place, which has a lot of great character without descending into the orientalism-on-steroids restaurant I’m being asked to find.

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Or hey, what about this one up by Columbia? Sure it’s simple, but it at least has that intricate wallpaper (though not red). Maybe throw a few golden dragon statues in and we’re good?

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Directors will not like any of this. “Why is there a tree in that first place? And why don’t any of them have red wallpaper? Keep looking!!!”

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But we will inevitably come up short. As a last ditch effort, directors will occasionally suggest we scout the Nom Wah Tea Parlor, confident that a place in business since 1927 MUST have the character we’re looking for (and proof we don’t know what we’re talking about). Alas, while I love Nom Wah, the interior looks more like a diner than a Chinese restaurant.

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Directors will usually be very frustrated at this point. “But it has to be out there! That classic over-the-top Chinese restaurant you used to go to on the highway as a kid!!”

And therein lies the problem. We’re not on a highway; we’re in New York.

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I don’t know anything about the history of Chinese restaurant decor in America, but I wouldn’t be surprised if, early on, part of the draw was in presenting patrons with an EPCOT-like level of intense orientalism. Not only are you dining, you’re also going on an exotic vacation.

Here’s a 1906 picture of a Chinatown restaurant called Chinese Tuxedo, which is EXACTLY what our director is looking for.

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Ephemeral New York dug up a great quote from a 1920 restaurant review guide which describes this kind of establishment:

“Few homegrown Chinese take nourishment in these places, because they feel kind of out of place and they hate to break in on the nice white people from uptown and Brooklyn. But the waiters are all Chinese, for the same reason that the walls have Chinese dragon tapestry. The lights are shrouded in fantastic shades, and the place is redolent with the perfume of fire cracker punk, which exhales a not unpleasant odor.”

Another perfect option for our director is this defunct New York classic – Port Arthur, in business through 1959:

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But those days are gone. Chinese restaurants don’t need crazy decor anymore to convince New Yorkers that the cuisine is worthwhile. And while I really wish just one holdover from the 1940s or 1950s had survived into the modern age as a historical relic, they’re kaput, and no amount of scouting will bring them back.

It’s usually about this time that the director finally accepts the truth, and the decision is made to either go with one of the options we’ve scouted (with some added set dressing), or build it on a stage.

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I don’t blame directors for hating the plainer options I’ve shown above – white walls and minimal decor look absolutely terrible on film, and you’d never film in such a place.

But I really wish they’d realize that the reason they think New York is filled with MIB-style Chinese restaurants is not because of reality, but because of what they’ve seen in the movies and on TV. For a city that has nearly everything, there’s a LOT of alternatives to choose from, and I really hate having to fake the few things it doesn’t have just to do the same cliche over and over and over and over…

But you know what? My fortune cookie portends a future where this search will come up again and again. I guess I should forget it. It’s Chinatown.

Love to hear any memories you have bygone NY Chinese restaurants!

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PS – Oh, and as a sidenote, I’ve never eaten in a NYC Chinese restaurant with a guy like this.

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  1. DP Avatar
    DP

    Fifi: I believe you are thinking of the Sam Wo in San Francisco’s Chinatown, which, sadly, is now closed. That place was legendary.

  2. DP Avatar
    DP

    Oops, my apologies- I just discovered there was one on Mott Street. How odd that both places had kitchens you had to walk through?!?

  3. micah craig Avatar

    It’s pretty awful, as a restaurant, as a place on earth, but Red Egg on Centre Street (https://foursquare.com/v/red-egg/48636f02f964a520e3501fe3) offers a sort of modernized, stomped on version of the aesthetic your directors are after.

  4. tm Avatar
    tm

    Gotta love the “enlightened” film directors who would not dare to portray other racist stereotypes go full Charlie Chan orientalism when it comes to East Asians. If they’re berating ScoutingNY for not finding their ideal “Chinese” restaurant, I can only imagine the poor casting people are given orders to basically find the usual “oriental” minstrel troupe.

    Thanks Nick for demonstrating the ridiculousness of it all.

    BTW, your fortune cookies were invented in California.

    1. LL Avatar
      LL

      I agree with tm’s sentiments and the ridiculousness of it all.

      Appalling that mainstream American media has not caught up with the times and continues to find it acceptable to perpetuate ignorant,exotic, one dimensional, Chinese/East Asian racial stereotypes. They may think twice when it comes to offending Latinos/Hispanics, Blacks, Italians, Jews, but it’s not acceptable to continue to think it’s okay to depict inaccurate and offensive images of Asians.

      It’s one thing for directors to romanticize the old school, cliche, red wall papered Chinese restaurant settings of bygone days with scenes of eating Chinese takeout, chopsticks, sipping hot tea.( Btw, there is a reason why these type restaurants are practically extinct now, it’s called progress.) It crosses the line with racist casting of the subservient oriental side kicks, exotic little flower Chinese ladies, and the socially inept Asian braniac. Get with the times, Hollywood.

  5. Sarah Avatar
    Sarah

    Cloister Cafe’s garden in the East Village looks a bit like the treed restaurants you showed, if you ever need another location like that. Not sure it would do for a Chinese restaurant…

  6. Geoff Avatar

    Part of the big expansion over at Steiner is supposed to be a backlot with all the quintessential, iconic New York locations that are difficult/expensive/impossible to actually get in New York; i.e., NYC subway station, NYC bus, anything in Chinatown without a bribe. I heard they were thinking of building a whole section of Little Italy without a single Vietnamese restaurant. We should do a poll of NYC film crews for other top requests. My top three:

    1. A back alley that is not Cortlandt Alley. Last time I was down there there was a feature shooting, two TV crews scouting and a Japanese fashion shoot. Steiner is empty by comparison.

    2. A clock tower that isn’t a total pain in the ass (DUMBO) or impossibly small (346 Broadway).

    3. A Christopher Nolan lot where he could just blow anything up he wants.

  7. John Avatar
    John

    I agree with your analysis of the current inventory of Chinese Restaurants in the New York Area. While Flushing has some interesting alternatives; the majority of them are true authentic Chinese Restaurants or Hot Pot Houses, where you cook your own meal. I’ll never forget several years ago going to a place in Flushing that was huge and had like four dining rooms on different levels. There were flat screen televisions everywhere. We were seated in a room where a wedding reception was going on. At one point the bride and groom came over and had us do shots of HAN with them. The food sucked but we had a lot of laughs.

  8. bkd69 Avatar
    bkd69

    @walker: Ironically, there’s a Chinese restaurant in Millburn NJ that resides in a former IHOP, complete with blue peaked roof, in classic ‘notfoolinganybody’ fashion (formerly a site chronicling recognizable franchise buildings under new ownership)

    @Jim: I only ever found Lee’s once. Another one in Bergen county that I never got around to trying is Chan’s Dragon Inn on Broad Avenue in Ridgefield, but looking at the pics on Yelp, I see I need to make a visit there.

    My favorite current throwback place is Jade Isle in Scotch Plains. Food’s good, and they have actual Chinese menus, as well as classic. Though the decor has been quite toned down, you can see by the architecture that it was exactly the sort of place Don Draper would have taken Betty Draper, if it was up in West Chester. They even have a coat check behind the front counter, as well as a concrete canopy over the front door, for driving up. Presumably they had valet parking in their heyday.

    I suppose this is the sort of thing that will wind up being like that one diner in LA that exists primarily to be ‘the diner’ in movies.

    I haven’t watched Law & Order for a while, but I imagine whenever they go to a Chinese restaurant, it’s either to the kitchen, or the business office.

  9. jp Avatar
    jp

    Have the same problem scouting for them in LAm always comes down to the same one … is that all there is.

    well done expose.

    jp

  10. Andrew S. Avatar
    Andrew S.

    There’s an over-the-top Chinese restaurant in Denville, NJ called Hunan Taste. It’s about an hour or so from the city, so maybe out of your range, but it’s like some art director’s idea of a Chinese restaurant:

    http://hunantaste.com/

  11. Jenny L. Avatar
    Jenny L.

    Such a true and funny post. Makes this China girl almost nostalgic for Orientalism–now that it’s “vintage.”

    Check out Talde in Park Slope:

    http://www.empireguides.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Talde-Restaurant.jpg

    Now if it only had the red walls!

  12. Oskar Avatar
    Oskar

    You should come to Stockholm, Sweden. All chinese restaurants look like that. Red walls with painted dragons and over the top porcelain figures of old emperors.

  13. Arthur B. Avatar
    Arthur B.

    Your list of neat Chinese restaurant should include dim sum bar, complete with sculptures of the Chinese Zodiac and checkerboard walls: http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/2c/c7/c5/shun-lee-west.jpg

    To the commenter poo-poo-ing Red Egg’s food: they make the best peking Duck I’ve had in NYC, what are you talking about…

    1. Arthur B. Avatar
      Arthur B.

      I meant: Shun Lee Bar

  14. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    So since you’ve scouted all these locations, who has the best hot and sour soup in NYC?

  15. Karol Avatar

    What about Shun Lee? It seems to fit a lot of these needs.

  16. Bill Schweikert Avatar
    Bill Schweikert
  17. Jared Avatar
    Jared

    The Chinese restaurant on Seinfeld was actually based on a real place on Fifth Avenue across form the Empire State Building that has since been torn down and redeveloped.

    1. Dan Avatar
      Dan

      However, nothing in the whole 2nd season of Seinfeld was taped in NY. It was all taped in Studio City in LA. (There are some Chinese places in LA that are slightly better, but none are ideal. In San Francisco old chinatown, there are some spots that’d work perfectly…)

      1. Christine Avatar
        Christine

        Could you share these San Francisco restaurants? I am a native and I hardly explore Chinatown (the crowd, the smells), but I am curious to see which restaurant still has this type of decor. Ironically enough I am Chinese myself… I just find better Chinese food outside of Chinatown and I get it at home too.

        1. Steven Avatar

          Christine: Check out the Empress of China on Grant Ave between Washington and Clay. The restaurant looks to have been last renovated during the Mad Men era, and so it’s an interesting mix of Mid-Century Modern and over-the-top Chinese. And before you take the elevator from the entrance at street level to the restaurant and bar on the upper floors, have a look at the glass display cases filled with 8×10 glossies of the proprietor posing with just about every celebrity you can think of from the 1960s and 70s. It’s very cool!

          http://empressofchinasf.com/gallery.html

  18. Sharilyn Avatar
    Sharilyn

    Another reason directors might want the over-the-top Chinoiserie described is that there are TONS of these restaurant as theme park ride all over Hollywood and west LA. My favorite used to be Winter Garden on Wilshire. It’s a very campy idea of a Chinese restaurant, and one that still exists, with a largely Anglo clientele, in the City of Angels.

  19. anoni Avatar
    anoni

    speaking of la hop lui in chinatown is like that. the restaurant in chinatown were they filmed rush hour is not.

  20. Sprugman Avatar
    Sprugman

    I was going to suggest the Times Sq Ruby Foos, as well…