The other day, I received an email asking if a bus station, dating to the 1930s, still existed at the Hotel Carter.

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A hidden bus station from the 1930s? In Times Square?? I’d never heard of this before (in fact, I only knew of the Hotel Carter as one of the dirtiest hotels in America) but I had to investigate.

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The Hotel Carter was known for much of its life as the Hotel Dixie. Opened on April 22, 1930, the Dixie was indeed home to a bus depot: the Central Union Bus Terminal, which at the time was the largest enclosed bus station in New York. Buses entered beside the hotel’s entrance on West 43rd and proceeded underground:

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Today, that space has been turned into a parking garage:

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After descending underground, buses would rotate on a 35-foot turntable, then proceed into a designated berth. A waiting room for passengers was off to the left:

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Here’s a drawing of what the waiting area used to look like in the 1930s.

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Could any of this possibly still exist?? Last weekend, I headed out to Times Square find out:

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As I came down the ramp, I immediately arrived at the original bus turntable. I doubt it still works, but how cool is it that this wasn’t just paved over?

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Surrounding it, I could also see where the berths would have been, though the ceilings seem lower now.

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But what about the waiting room? Based on the plans above, I was sad to see cars parked where the waiting room should have been – it must have been demolished. Then I noticed something…

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That’s a very unusual floor to be parking cars on:

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Then I realized: they’d left the waiting room floor:

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I know it’s not much, but I love that this remnant still exists from over 80 years ago, a time when you would’ve found passengers sitting on wooden benches here waiting for buses.

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Whereas the checkered flooring would have covered the main waiting room area, the white linoleum area seems to match up with the ticket office and where passengers would pass into the main terminal:

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Based on the plans, the newsstand would have been situated about here:

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At the top of the existing columns, you can see detailing that seems very out of place for a grungy parking garage – but would make plenty of sense for nice bus station:

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The detailing stretches far back:

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Before leaving, I wanted to see if the stairwell that once took passengers down to the waiting room still existed. According to the plans, the double doors would have been on this faux-marble wall. Sadly, that’s only a closet.

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Unable to compete with Port Authority, the Hotel Dixie’s bus terminal closed in 1957.

Try as you might, you can never fully erase New York City’s past, and I like to imagine that late at night, a tourist picking up their car might look over and see the ghostly phantasms of passengers waiting for a bus that will never come.

Very special thanks to reader Mike M. for starting me on this investigation.

-SCOUT

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  1. Archie Cogollos Avatar
    Archie Cogollos

    Amazing…I have a picture of my momwhen she was strolling down the street. In the background..Hotel Dixie…..soo I googled it…and low and behold…there’s this incredible article…Sooooooo…I check her picture again and there is on the canopy..an s depot..the year 1947 ..she was Olgita at 22yrs old….thx….ciao Arch

    1. Harris Avatar
      Harris

      I actually remember the place. I lived in Bayonne, and the Boulevard bus New York route went to the Hotel Dixie. i have clear memories of the turntable and the terminal. When the PA bus terminal was opened, the Red & Tan line from Bayonne went there, and I stopped taking the one to the Dixie. I think the fare was 35¢. The Red & Tan buses were newer and much more comfortable so we all gave up on the older Boulevard Gray buses.

  2. Madeleine Avatar
    Madeleine

    Glad you posted this.

    Just found a copy of handwritten wording on an old telegram form sent from Hotel Dixie, Room 901, telephone number “Wiscon 7-6000,” that my great-aunt sent to her brother-in-law in Kezmarok, Slovakia, regarding her safe arrival in New York.

    It is brief, and the words are in German, although her English was perfect. (Her brother-in-law’s wasn’t.) It is dated Oct 31, 1931, when Hotel Dixie must have been in its heyday.

    Thanks to your photos/postcard, I now know what it looked like!

    Madeleine

  3. Caithlin Heyfron Avatar
    Caithlin Heyfron

    Thanks for this story. My dad was reminiscing with me and we googled Hotel Dixie to see if it still existed. As a boy my dad watched as bus after bus entered and was directed to its slot, sometimes turning a full 360 degrees. His connection to the Hotel Dixie was a grandfather who for many years was the nighttime manager of the Dixie, which in its day was considered a class “A” hotel.
    It seemed to be always super hot and for that matter didn’t smell that good in the terminal. That’s a young boy’s impression at least.
    The bus terminal detail was eroded when they opened the Port Authority Bus terminal at 40-41st St, as the buses were afforded direct access to the Lincoln Tunnel.

  4. Michael T Greene Avatar
    Michael T Greene

    The Dixie Hotel Terminal would have closed up at some point in the 1950’s. First, and most obvious, the Port Authority Bus Terminal opened December 15, 1950, and a number of bus lines, both suburban and intercity, would move their operations there. (Greyhound did not-it would not move in until the mid-1960’s, when a terminal near Penn Station closed up as part of the Penn Station changes.) Secondly, the move by these carriers to longer buses would doom the terminal, since the buses were too long for the turntable. The carrier whose bus is shown at the top of the terminal section, a 35′ bus owned by Hudson Transit Corp., which used the name “Short Line” as an advertising slogan, moved to Port Authority by 1951. The hotel became the Carter in the 1960’s, and looks to still be in business today…I’ll guess it’s risen a bit from its time in the midst of the Times Square district in its Porno days…it also did business in that time with American Youth Hostel, allowing some of its rooms to be rented to budget travelers…I was one of those travelers, and, well, it’s 2015…I must have survived. Actually, if one used common sense in their dealings with folks, you had no trouble…the TV’s weren’t the greatest, and the beds, though comfy, weren’t necessarily the top line…sleeping…well, I had no trouble with the noise while sleeping(OK, not like Joe Pesci’s character in “My Cousin Vinny”, who can’t sleep through absolute calm, but sleeps through a prison riot, but close…I guess living in Philly helps out.)

  5. David R. Cameron Avatar
    David R. Cameron

    A great memory for me riding Trailways from Glens Falls many summers as a kid to see Dad (divorced) and my cousins on the island for 2 weeks. Hotel Dixie Bus Terminal was a highlight for many seasons being on the turntable, and then the subway.,cab or bus ride to the isle. Would like to know how many bus lines(what names) the Dixie served, during the 40’s & 50’s? I tried to find out over the years but to no avail! I always loved making the trip by myself as a kid, and eventually I rode the New York Central 20th Century out of Albany as a teenager. WOW! What memories to bring back now that I’m in my 70’s. Make way Jones Beach, here I come! Loved your story & pictures and keep up the good work. All historical things should be remembered, and taught to the next generation. Thank you. Sincerely, David R. Cameron

  6. Rosemary Schaumloffel Avatar
    Rosemary Schaumloffel

    Wonderful article…..it brought back memories from all those years ago.. In the 50’s I worked in the Times Square area and would take the bus from the Hotel Dixie to the Catskills to visit my then future husband.

  7. RD Avatar
    RD

    Walked by today and the roll up gate was closed with some garbage bags over part of it – seemed like construction. Has anyone been inside recently?

  8. Ronnie De Conne Avatar
    Ronnie De Conne

    As a kid, my father took me on vacation every August. We boarded the 7th Avenue Express at E 225th St and traveled to Times Square. Then we walked (and schlepped suitcases) a very short distance to the Hotel Dixie and took an Adirondack Trailways bus to Walden, NY. The three hour ride took us up Route 17 through Jersey, then to Suffern, Monroe, Washingtonville, Scots Corners, Maybrook and then Walden. The bus always stopped at the Red Apple Rest where we got a hot dog and a drink.

    The highlight of this annual trip was always getting on the bus at the Dixie and swinging around on the turntable I remember sticking my head out the window and getting a small scrape on my forehead on one of the pillars as a to bus backed up on to the turntable. What great memories you brought back to this 72 year old “kid”.

    You are the best. Ronnie

    1. Alice Avatar
      Alice

      Ronnie, what great memories!

  9. Larry K Avatar
    Larry K

    In the early 1940s my dad used to drive a daily commuter bus from upstate NY to the Hotel Dixie. See my comment on 9/21/13. Last week I was in NYC and made it a point to visit the Hotel Carter, hopefully to see the turntable firsthand. The hotel is undergoing renovation and I wasn’t able to get inside, but it no longer matters as the security guard I spoke with told me the hotel has been under renovation for the last year, and the turntable was torn out 3 weeks ago. 🙁 Another piece of history lost.

    1. Alice Avatar
      Alice

      Sad!!!