The other day, I received an email asking if a bus station, dating to the 1930s, still existed at the Hotel Carter.

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A hidden bus station from the 1930s? In Times Square?? I’d never heard of this before (in fact, I only knew of the Hotel Carter as one of the dirtiest hotels in America) but I had to investigate.

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The Hotel Carter was known for much of its life as the Hotel Dixie. Opened on April 22, 1930, the Dixie was indeed home to a bus depot: the Central Union Bus Terminal, which at the time was the largest enclosed bus station in New York. Buses entered beside the hotel’s entrance on West 43rd and proceeded underground:

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Today, that space has been turned into a parking garage:

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After descending underground, buses would rotate on a 35-foot turntable, then proceed into a designated berth. A waiting room for passengers was off to the left:

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Here’s a drawing of what the waiting area used to look like in the 1930s.

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Could any of this possibly still exist?? Last weekend, I headed out to Times Square find out:

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As I came down the ramp, I immediately arrived at the original bus turntable. I doubt it still works, but how cool is it that this wasn’t just paved over?

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Surrounding it, I could also see where the berths would have been, though the ceilings seem lower now.

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But what about the waiting room? Based on the plans above, I was sad to see cars parked where the waiting room should have been – it must have been demolished. Then I noticed something…

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That’s a very unusual floor to be parking cars on:

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Then I realized: they’d left the waiting room floor:

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I know it’s not much, but I love that this remnant still exists from over 80 years ago, a time when you would’ve found passengers sitting on wooden benches here waiting for buses.

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Whereas the checkered flooring would have covered the main waiting room area, the white linoleum area seems to match up with the ticket office and where passengers would pass into the main terminal:

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Based on the plans, the newsstand would have been situated about here:

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At the top of the existing columns, you can see detailing that seems very out of place for a grungy parking garage – but would make plenty of sense for nice bus station:

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The detailing stretches far back:

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Before leaving, I wanted to see if the stairwell that once took passengers down to the waiting room still existed. According to the plans, the double doors would have been on this faux-marble wall. Sadly, that’s only a closet.

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Unable to compete with Port Authority, the Hotel Dixie’s bus terminal closed in 1957.

Try as you might, you can never fully erase New York City’s past, and I like to imagine that late at night, a tourist picking up their car might look over and see the ghostly phantasms of passengers waiting for a bus that will never come.

Very special thanks to reader Mike M. for starting me on this investigation.

-SCOUT

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  1. Mario B Avatar
    Mario B

    What was filmed in that hotel with Gwynet Paltrow?

    1. Katy Avatar
      Katy

      Great Expectations

  2. ScottNY64 Avatar
    ScottNY64

    No more bus depot but the same mattresses in the hotel.

  3. Kip W Avatar

    In the 1970s, Michael O’Donoghue wrote a National Lampoon parody, “Eloise at the Hotel Dixee.” It would seem possible that it was a tribute to this establishment. I can just see Al the Counterman snarling.

  4. TJHinNYC Avatar
    TJHinNYC

    The bus depot turntable reminded me that the magnificent Chanin Building at E.41st St. and Lexington Ave. also had a similar turntable many years ago.

  5. Steve Avatar
    Steve

    Did you also check to see if the 42nd Street entrance to the waiting room still exists?

  6. b. lynch black Avatar

    my theatre group did a play at the Carter back in the 1980s… wish i had known about this “hidden” new york artifact. its’ the kind of thing that fascinates me. i would have gone down to look.

  7. Rick Avatar
    Rick

    Similar thing at the Ansonia Hotel.
    What used to be the pool area of Plato’s Retreat became a garage. The same telltale flooring can be seen.
    http://nypress.com/when-the-ansonia-was-plato%E2%80%99s-retreat/

  8. Brad Avatar
    Brad

    Great story. I see on the plans that there was an entrance and exit ramp. Are both still in place today or just the one as shown?

  9. Ramón Avatar
    Ramón

    Excellent ! Next bus to ….

  10. Big Apple Dreaming Avatar

    New York is amazing city 😉 I would like to spend a day in 1930s NYC… Because in same time NYC changed so much and in the same time NYC didn’t change…

  11. Kelly Smith Avatar
    Kelly Smith

    Loved the article! Delayed reply for Tom Stetz 8 Jul:
    The bus station you remember was probably the one at 50th & 8th;
    ground level of what is now the Capitol Apts, a low income Seniors’
    residence. In the 50s & 60s it was a YWCA. I stayed there when I first came to live in NYC. My first visit to NYC, in the late 50s,
    I arrived at the 50th & 8th station.

    1. Alice Avatar
      Alice

      I, and all my childhood friends, would use the top floor YWCA pool all the time. I wonder if it’s still there. I remember it as being huge!

      My Aunt would always bring me to the discount-cafeteria in the lobby (where the terminal used to be?). We were on line there when the blackout of 1965 began; I was 11. The lights blinked and everyone in line began to complain because it was only about 5:30, as that was the usual sign that they were about to close. Then everything went black. I remember everyone ‘feeling’ their way out onto the street. I thought it was cool, but I think a lot of the adults thought the Russians had attacked. Car headlights were all we could see! It was eerie.

  12. B.P. Avatar

    Great article and photos. Amazing that any remnants from the terminal were left partially intact.

  13. Daniel Beaulieu Avatar

    Say, you got a nice article.Really thank you! Will read on…

  14. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    I swear to god, Scout, you make life worth living. What a great find!

  15. Al miller Avatar
    Al miller

    Those were great days. In my teens I worked at a dairy farm in Wallkill Ny in the summers. I always rode the short line bus from the Hotel Dixie. The turntable with the buses was always thrilling to me. Your pictures are great. You bring back memories. Do you also have pictures of the swimming pool at the Hotel St George in Brooklyn?

  16. Chuck L Avatar
    Chuck L

    Joe, I probably knew your uncle, that is if he was later employed by Trailways in the baggage department after the Dixie closed.

    I drove many a bus into that terminal during the mid 50’s and got a kick out of going into, and out of the terminal. Sometimes, the expressions on the faces of the folks in the right front seats when you swung wide to go into the driveway, were priceless pictures of horror, thinking they were going to smash into the wall. On several occasions that I know of, Short Line would have so many folks on the bus that the driver had to let some off so he could get up the grade to the street. That was in the days before all of the present regulations were in place. If anyone walks by the entrance, and looks closely, they might still see the scrape marks were a mirror struck the wall.

    1. Joe Avatar
      Joe

      Chuck, If I remember correctly, after the Dixie closed, my Uncle Ed and Aunt Lil moved back to Kingston. I also loved going to their apartment in the Whitby on 45th St btw 8th & 9th Ave. We used to walk there through Times Square and stop at some at an amusement center and play Pokerino. They used to know some of the actors and actresses that were on Broadway at the time too – a lot of them stayed in the Whitby. My sister said one of them was Tony Curtis. I know I was introduced to some of them, but was too young to know who they were. All great memories that sealed my love for New York!

  17. Chuck L Avatar
    Chuck L

    Sorry, didn’t check my spelling – ‘where a mirror struck the wall’

  18. Larry K Avatar
    Larry K

    Great info! My late father (1920-2013) was a Short Line bus driver in the early 1940’s before he was “invited” to join the US Army in 1943. He would have been 21 in 1941. I only recently found out that he used to drive a daily commuter run to/from the Hotel Dixie and he described the turntable to me. I was able to show him photos from your site. I learned this from him because last August 2012 I visited Times Square and was later telling him about my visit. It was then that he told me about driving to NYC from upstate (probably Monroe or Middletown). He would usually do a round trip, and on occasion he would drive to Monticello or Liberty from NYC. He would travel on Route 17, and said even in those days he would drive at 55-60 mph.

  19. Betsy Avatar
    Betsy

    Love your work! I am currently researching New York in the 30’s my grandfather was in Broadway and lived there from 1931-1936 we never found any information on what he was doing! Love your little insight into a old New York.

    1. Betsy Avatar
      Betsy

      Trying to find more information on the George Cohen theatre!

  20. Ruben Iglesias Avatar
    Ruben Iglesias

    The Chanin Building had a similar, but smaller turntable for motor coaches located within the confines of it premises as well, although that one seems to have been completely obliterated. Still, you may want to check in to it as a follow up to this story.

    Regards,

    Ruben Iglesias