The other day, I received an email asking if a bus station, dating to the 1930s, still existed at the Hotel Carter.

A hidden bus station from the 1930s? In Times Square?? I’d never heard of this before (in fact, I only knew of the Hotel Carter as one of the dirtiest hotels in America) but I had to investigate.

The Hotel Carter was known for much of its life as the Hotel Dixie. Opened on April 22, 1930, the Dixie was indeed home to a bus depot: the Central Union Bus Terminal, which at the time was the largest enclosed bus station in New York. Buses entered beside the hotel’s entrance on West 43rd and proceeded underground:

Today, that space has been turned into a parking garage:

After descending underground, buses would rotate on a 35-foot turntable, then proceed into a designated berth. A waiting room for passengers was off to the left:

Here’s a drawing of what the waiting area used to look like in the 1930s.

Could any of this possibly still exist?? Last weekend, I headed out to Times Square find out:

As I came down the ramp, I immediately arrived at the original bus turntable. I doubt it still works, but how cool is it that this wasn’t just paved over?

Surrounding it, I could also see where the berths would have been, though the ceilings seem lower now.

But what about the waiting room? Based on the plans above, I was sad to see cars parked where the waiting room should have been – it must have been demolished. Then I noticed something…

That’s a very unusual floor to be parking cars on:

Then I realized: they’d left the waiting room floor:

I know it’s not much, but I love that this remnant still exists from over 80 years ago, a time when you would’ve found passengers sitting on wooden benches here waiting for buses.

Whereas the checkered flooring would have covered the main waiting room area, the white linoleum area seems to match up with the ticket office and where passengers would pass into the main terminal:

Based on the plans, the newsstand would have been situated about here:

At the top of the existing columns, you can see detailing that seems very out of place for a grungy parking garage – but would make plenty of sense for nice bus station:

The detailing stretches far back:

Before leaving, I wanted to see if the stairwell that once took passengers down to the waiting room still existed. According to the plans, the double doors would have been on this faux-marble wall. Sadly, that’s only a closet.

Unable to compete with Port Authority, the Hotel Dixie’s bus terminal closed in 1957.

Try as you might, you can never fully erase New York City’s past, and I like to imagine that late at night, a tourist picking up their car might look over and see the ghostly phantasms of passengers waiting for a bus that will never come.

Very special thanks to reader Mike M. for starting me on this investigation.

-SCOUT

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  1. tom stetz Avatar
    tom stetz

    I can just barely remember a similar bus station from, say, 1962 when I first came to college in New York, but I think it was a bit further north, also on the west side.

  2. Jamsire Ernoir Avatar
    Jamsire Ernoir

    Interesting post. The Barclays Center has the same rotating floor for buses, players cars, etc.

  3. Velvethead Avatar
    Velvethead

    I have to wonder how pleasant that space was as a bus station. Looks cramped and low ceiling height.

  4. Ryan Avatar
    Ryan

    I pass the Hotel Carter every day on the way to work and never knew about this. Awesome!

  5. DouginBrooklyn Avatar
    DouginBrooklyn

    I can’t count the number of times I’ve walked by this garage, looked down the ramp and wondered what that circle was – thanks for the great post!

  6. Don Avatar

    Just curious…when you do your thing in private spaces (or even public, I guess), what do you do/say to get access? Do you have a special Scouting badge? Or do you work on a “beg for forgiveness, than ask for permission”.

  7. Adam Avatar
    Adam

    Col. John R. Stingo, whom AJ Liebling writes about in the Honest Rainmaker, lived in this hotel. http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/086547396X

  8. Bill Avatar

    Unless those are your cars or you have made arrangements with the owners, you should probably blur the license plates.

    1. Dave Avatar
      Dave

      What would someone do with a plate number? You know, like the thousands we see everyday.

      1. jon Avatar
        jon

        They might notice one that belongs to a spouse… a spouse who ordinarily wouldn’t have any business being in or near a grungy hotel car park.

  9. Eric Stott Avatar
    Eric Stott

    The Carter was also home to a very stylish nightclub in the 40’s which by the 1960’s had become the Bert Wheeler Theater. On a recent trip I looked for it – I think part of the space is now offices near the entrance.

  10. Amy Avatar
    Amy

    This was fantastic! Great detective work!

  11. nyc guy Avatar
    nyc guy

    Very nice discovery. I wonder what else is out there from NYC’s past that is hidden away?

  12. old timer Avatar
    old timer

    I like the turntable gizmo. Have you ever looked into the abandoned subway stations along Pitkin Avenue out in Queens? We snuck into one of them as kids. When my dad found out he gave it to me.

  13. K Avatar
    K

    I haven’t been there in ages, but at the corner of 33rd & Park (NW corner) is a small restaurant in the corner of the building. I was told, that the location originaly housed the waiting room for a private rail siding for the Vanderbuilt Family’s access to the Long Island Rail Road. The room was covered in tile and we were told at the rear of the space was a ramp to a lower level that was trackside. Don’t know if you ever checked it out

  14. Paul Avatar
    Paul

    Google Image search the Hotel Dixie and you’ll see that checkerboard flooring in some of their long-since redone interior spaces.

  15. DC20009 Avatar
    DC20009

    This is fascinating – thanks for the post! I wonder if the turntable was functional for the life of the station? It seems like one of those futuristic things that stops working after a few years and isn’t fixed due to expense or lack of parts.

  16. Joe Avatar
    Joe

    I remember the bus terminal as a kid. My uncle worked there and would operate the turntable. When my mother and I were going to visit my aunt and uncle in the city, my uncle would tell the Trailways bus driver. The bus would stop in front of our house and beep the horn for us. When we arrived at Hotel Dixie and the bus pulled onto the ramp, my uncle would turn the bus 360 deg 3 or 4 times to give me a ride before he stopped it in front of the proper berth. His wife, my aunt (my mother’s sister), worked at The Dixie Cafe, and we would go there for a bite to eat after our 2 hour ride from Kingston. I have loved NYC ever since!

    1. kathleen Avatar
      kathleen

      thanks for that little addition to this story. i can just imagine you enjoying that ride.

  17. Gary Avatar
    Gary

    I came across an album of an early 80’s musical the other day & it read “From the NY production at the Carter Theatre.” Yep. A room off the lobby of THE CARTER that had been used for banquets had a short life as a theatre – so it goes to prove that these old spaces possess all kind of interesting history. Thanks for this neat illustrated story!

  18. Peter Avatar

    Was there a motor to power the turntable, or was it so finely balanced that a couple of people could turn a bus by hand?

  19. gojohnnygo Avatar

    In the Minneapolis Armory, cars are parked directly on top of the basketball court for the 1950s Minneapolis Lakers. Yes, they eventually became the L.A. Lakers.

  20. jon weaver Avatar
    jon weaver

    I love urban archaeology, thanks so much for you hard work