One of the things that absolutely fascinates me about Manhattan is the idea that streams and rivers that once flowed above ground continue to this day deep beneath our feet. In some instances, man-made canals were built to divert their path; in others, persistent rivers fought through landfill to continue on their way.

One such stream is Minetta Brook, which you can see on the Viele map, a full mark-up of the city’s streams, springs, and marshland made in 1874 and still used by engineers today.

Native Americans called it “Manette,” or Devil’s Water. Dutch settlers named it “Bestevaer’s Killetje,” or Grandfather’s Little Creek. Like many streets named after long-gone rivers and ponds (Water St and Spring St were so named because of their proximity to water), Minetta Street in the Village allegedly bends to follow the original path of Minetta Brook.

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Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because of a really, really fantastic oddity at 2 Fifth Ave, just north of Washington Square Park.

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When this building was constructed in the 1930s, this odd-looking clear-glass “fountain” was installed, which allegedly goes right down to the old brook. Apparently, when the brook is flowing heavy, water bubbles up inside.

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Sadly, when I went, it was pretty dry, with dirt traces caked up along the sides. But a comment on this Minetta-related post as recent as November ’08 reports that it was filled with water. It’s raining tonight – I might stop in again tomorrow morning to see if there’s any change.

This plaque is mounted beside it:

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Some say that it doesn’t actually go down to the brook; that Minetta dried up in the 1800s, and that the tube was put in as a symbolic representation of the old stream, that it was just a big publicity stunt to garner interest in the new building, that the water that comes up is due to building plumbing – but no one knows for sure. What clinches it for me is the look of the thing – I mean, if you’re going to fake it, why not do it with a bit more style than a dingy plastic tube shoved into what looks like an ash tray bin hidden behind the front desk? The dirt caking the sides looks pretty authentic as well – but you be the judge.

I’m sure this is something that every NYU kid knows about, but it’s a huge surprise for me. I’ve walked by 2 5th Avenue hundreds of times in my years living in New York and had no idea that such a cool oddity was right in the open for anyone to see.

In trying to find information on Minetta Brook, I came across an amazing site that I’m going to have to pour over when I get some time: Water Courses, a blog dedicated to lost rivers and streams in NYC. Definitely check it out to find out what you’d be swimming in if not for the pavement beneath your feet.

UPDATE!

I went back today and was amazed to find water coming right up the pipe. You can sort of see it in this picture clinging to the sides:

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The water wasn’t just splashing, it was surging up in torrents. Really cool to see, and it corresponds with the rains we had last night. Definitely check it out the next time a storm passes through.

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  1. Marie Avatar
    Marie

    Just wanted to add a status update as of December 29, 2012:

    As Carrie mentioned about a year ago, sadly the tube/fountain thingie in the photo has been removed — it’s still gone and only the pedestal and the placque remain. The placque can be seen from outside the building (it’s behind a shrubbery right up against the glass) but we didn’t spot it at first and went inside to talk to the doorman. He was very kindly & explained they’d removed the fountain/tube thing during some renovations and didn’t anticipate it was going to be put back.

  2. Gavin Lang Avatar
    Gavin Lang

    I found this…

    http://untappedcities.com/2012/07/24/minetta-brook-a-lost-river-under-the-streets-of-manhattan/

    Not too exciting, but now that there is no chance of sleep for the night since i stumbled on your site, i might as well keep on going! 🙂 Thank you!

  3. Dan C Avatar
    Dan C

    Here’s a youtube video of the fountain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0bBbaQf98k

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  7. Lori Avatar
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    Interesting! This must be the “devil’s water” that Dave Grohl refers to in the new Foo Fighters song “I Am a River,” which was recorded in and inspired by NYC. Really cool.

  8. Dr. Gjl Avatar
    Dr. Gjl

    The “River” under two Fifth Avenue [allegedly Minneta Brook] does not exist. I am a long-time resident of Two Fifth Avenue and considered by many residents to be the “historian” of Two Fifth Avenue. (We consider Dr. Emily Kies Folpe (Ph,D. in Art Hostory, Author: IT HAPPENED ON WASHINGTON SQUARE) as our Washington Square historian,] That section of Minetta Brook which ONCE flowed at the site where Two Fifth Avenue is now was long-ago dried up for construction purposes; Two Fifth Avenue was built from 1949-51,, NOT during the 30’s as NY Scout INCORRECTLY states, The ornamental fountain COMMERATING Minetta Brook which is now outside the lobby is decorative and when operative was fed by NYC tap water, NOT Minetta Brook. Visitors and tourists enjoy the romance of a “river” flowing below the building,

    Romance aside, Two Fifth Avenue is still worth a pass-by for visitors and tourists to view the two plaques on the outside of the building which honor long-time residents three-term former Mayor of The City of New York Edward I. Koch and former US Congresswoman Bella Abzug, both now decreased.

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  9. Doug Easterly Avatar
    Doug Easterly

    The New York Times this past Sunday in the Metropolitan section had an article about an underground stream causing issues with a home renovation (cellar expansion) on 76th Street at the Central Park West area. Home is owned by daughter of Congresswoman Nita Lowey (D, Rockland, Westchester Counties). GREAT SITE!

  10. gmo Avatar
    gmo

    Hi:

    I read about this lobby and its glass pipe in a new book, Hidden Waters of New York City. I love the idea of this sight-tube keeping tabs on the buried Minetta Brook, but as an engineer, I had to wonder how the water could be forced so high up in the tube without seeing water on the streets around? An artesian well? I don’t think so… Unless the lobby is very far below the level of the street, I am not convinced by it.