One of the weirdest little holdovers of a bygone Times Square can be found at 42nd Street and 9th Avenue, where a collection of four-story apartment buildings sit nestled in the shadow of the neighboring skyscrapers.

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Most impressive of all in the group is The Elk, Times Square’s last true roach motel.

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As I wrote a year ago in my post on the Elk, nothing beats the hotel’s grime-covered sign on Ninth Avenue, featuring a Pepsi-Cola ad that probably dates back to when Taxi Driver was filming in the area (in fact, according to one reader, Pepsi was using this logo circa 1962):

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Amazingly, the Elk is said to have been in business for over 100 years, originally serving immigrants passing through Ellis Island. Sadly, it’s run has finally come to an end; last week, I got an email from a reader informing me that the Elk had finally closed its doors for good. Sure enough, when I went to visit on Friday, there was a white sign over the door reading “Hotel Closed”:

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In fact, there were a lot of signs posted all over the doors, windows, etc.

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The Elk evokes fond memories in some. A few choice comments left on my original Elk Hotel post:

I actually stayed at The Elk on New Year’s Eve 2009 (it was the only place I could find an impromptu room for my lady friend and I had the best sex of my life! So, there’s that.

WOW – my first day in the NYC film industry took place in this seedy hotel, just after the massive blizzard in Jan 1996! ’Twas a low budget indie. I recall one of the location PA’s breaking down in tears after the shoot because they had to ‘clean’ the areas we were in, which included bodily waste, used needles and stray condoms. YUCK! For my part I just had to shovel out the sidewalk of 9th and 42nd for an exterior shot.

I stayed there in the 90s, overnight a few times, while it was still a hotel. A real dump, nothing to get too nostalgic over. But it was cheap – and being poor it was a great place to stay at the time. … I bemoan the loss of housing for “transients.” I was transient for several years in my 20s. My spirit still is.

I remember waiting for the bus going to high school right outside the entrance of the hotel…And low and behold did not this pimp throw this ho right out the window one floor up and my hand to God that’s the truth.

For those looking for a glimpse of the Elk Hotel’s grandeur, check out the Elk Hotel Appreciation Facebook page for a peek inside, with such gems as the sink…

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Photo by Elks Appreciation Member James Cassidy – Click for more!!

According to my contact, who claims to be a former resident, “The Elk did not go down without a bang – Elk style. A body was found in one of the rooms, having been decaying there for 2 weeks.” Nice.

Future generations will now only know The Elk for its appearance in 2008’s Jumper:

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Next on the extinct list is one of the very first places I ever wrote about, Flushing Ave’s Navy Yard Cocktail Lounge, a gritty bar/strip club dating back to the neighborhood’s rougher days.

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A few of you have emailed over the past few months, and I finally had a chance to check out it’s makeover the other day. Wow.

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Like The Elk Hotel, my favorite bit was the Navy Yard’s sign, with its anchors and raised COCKTAIL LOUNGE lettering reminiscent of the 1940s.

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Today, the only evidence of its existence is a strange strip of red bricks running above the first floor:

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Only one comment was left on my original Navy Yard Lounge post, but it tells you all you need to know about the place:

I was stationed there in the early 1980′s as my ship was getting overhauled in the Navy Yard. I am pretty certain J&J stands for Jimmy & Julia Constantino or a very similar name. It was barely hanging in then.

They ran a bar, you could get food at lunch. Very rough neighborhood at the time. The Navy put single sailors in some rat trap building in the yard and you had to go to war to get through the nearby projects (ironically Navy housing from way back) to the subway.

The ratrap was right on the fence with flushing ave, I recall the sailors drinking beer on hot summer nights, then filling the bottles as small Molitovs from the parked motorcycles and exchanging them for the rocks the natives would occasionally launch.

Another great scene: coming back 4AM on a Monday morning was a dumptruck on blocks, engine stripped, etc. It lingered all summer, graffiti, then arson, then finally gone. South of the yard is developing into a more trendy hip area. If I only knew I would have been buying up the war zone back then…

The building was sold for $2,000,000 a year ago, and is being renovated for use as an eatery on the first floor, and residences on the upper floors. Oh, if these walls could talk…

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Some people have bemoaned the loss of The Elk and the Navy Yard Lounge; my feeling is that most of these people never hung out at either, but liked the idea of a seedy side to New York still existing. And I get it – there’s something great in that, somehow, these pockets of down-and-out-ness have managed to escape the gentrification wrecking ball.

On the other hand, a few years ago, I was working on a movie shooting in a roach motel in Brooklyn. If you’ve ever seen the movie (you probably have), the squalor of the hotel was played for laughs. While we were filming, however, one of the residents overdosed on heroin, and we had to stop the shoot as an ambulance arrived and he was somehow literally brought back to life.

Ever since I saw the guy get wheeled out on a stretcher, I’ve had a hard time romanticizing the seedier side of New York. Honestly, doing so makes me feel like a tourist, and if you think about it, there really is no tourist worse than the one looking to go on safari to seedy, down-and-out places and think it’s all so cool…and then go home to a life of comparative luxury (note: some people have taken umbrage with this; see comments for clarification).

The value of places like The Elk and the Navy Yard Cocktail lounge is primarily in how they’ve managed to survive through the ages. Unfortunately, that value is intrinsically linked to their one day disappearing.

Special thanks to all who shared their memories of The Elk and the Navy Yard Lounge in the comments pages!

-SCOUT

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  1. Jim Avatar

    I used to love using The Elk as my photo studio… For some reason you could shoot smack, have sex with hookers and beat them up, do ANYthing in the rooms…. except take photos. Very strange. I would have to sneak my cameras in with my “luggage”. Probably the last hotel you could smoke in too…

    Here’s a couple of my photos, from two different photo shoots but in the same room.

    http://jimherrington.tumblr.com/post/14626457570/rebecca-solnit-writer-new-york-city-c-jim

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimherrington/3196907087/in/set-72157612573301846

  2. G P H Avatar
    G P H

    Excellent post. Excellent details. Thanks Scout!

  3. Will Avatar
    Will

    Wow, the Elk memories. lol I, alas, never stayed in this fleabag, (though I did stay in a flea bag two nights while my apartment was being fumigated on 50th btw Broadway/8th. I went to school in the early 90s on Theatre Row when it still had the NYU annex in it. I’d pass by this everyday, sometimes, 2x a day.

    I’ve lived or worked (now very off than on) for 15+ years starting at 21 in the very early 90s. I will start off by saying I somewhat miss Mayor Dinkins and the City of then. It had character and a vibrancy. Having worked at a Broadway Theater on 44th I had to wade through the greatest street (but true life) theater on 8th Avenue everyday for years. I learned more from the denizens that hung outside of the old Nathan’s than anything. I was never bothered bc the regulars saw me as a good goofy kid and not a threat.
    I recall when the Ben & Jerry’s went in circa 94 as a way for the homeless who lived over it to get back on their feet. I miss the overnight twins at Smith’s, the Eros and Gaeity Theaters for the sleeze, the HoJo and the love for Show World. My friends and I laughed so hard when it became, first a tourist crap shop and now what it is. Thanks for the memory.

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    jms

    Man went to the navy yard bar in 97 when i was attending pratt. Me and some friends walked in and the stage was right near the door. This chick was getting finger banged right there. Litteraly the record stopped and we got stared at. We ordered a drink and then left. Some Hasid came down the stairs too. I think upstairs was where the magic happened. LOL

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    PBB

    I am new to this site, and want to say, “thank you, Scott,” for the way you post with respect for the past and at the same time are not presently living in a past-that-will-never-be-again world. I, too, was a young man in NYC (my atlas: NY on $10 a day ~ a high school grad gift)and agree with the idea that the uniqueness of Times Square has been compromised by Disney-effects. I would like to add, and only because I have not seen them mentioned, that there may be two other things to consider. Age on the part of individuals has a tendency to make “old days” look better; whether they were or not is almost irrelevant ~ what matters is we have lost our youthful edge and natural energy of taking on any status quo of our parents and deciding it should be different. For our generation, Times Square did this. But then that became OUR status quo; now we are the parents and the pattern is repeating itself. Second, I don’t need a porn theater with 1,000 seats because it is avaiable on my phone. When we unpack THAT sentence, we will be getting closer to what’s really responsible for the changes we are uncomfortable with.

  6. walkerny Avatar
    walkerny

    I was drawn by the article on the Elk’s closing, and lo and behold, find an update on JJ’s and that my comment was the ‘survivor’ and deemed worthy of inclusion here. Needless to say, as a sailor I knew the times square of the late 70’s/early 80’s. I saw the first buildings being demolished for new construction, heard that Disney was involved, and thought “What the heck does disney want HERE??!!!” Very interesting discussion on the “tourism” aspect of the old dysfunctional New York. But in reality, it was dangerous, sad and no shortage of human wreckage. If the ‘modern’ NY generates more jobs and some more stable services for it’s most at risk residents, the loss of our nostalgia for places we didn’t have to call home is a small price.
    Great and interesting wring, scout.

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    walkerny

    Most interesting is the complete (and continuing) transformation of the waterfront in Brooklyn, Queens, and on the NJ side of the Hudson. Everyone knows of course “Dumbo”, but the ‘Waterfront View’ effect is spreading south toward Red Hook, and Astoria and Long Island City show a sign of resurgence, spreading South to Greenpoint. The Navy Yard area is between resugent areas, and looks like it is next on the list. One wonders what they will call it when it is gentrified. Wallabout? (After the Bay) I’d prefer “Navy Yard”. I’ve heard it referred to as FT Greene and Greenpoint, I don’t think it is included in either neighborhood proper. Smart guys bought this whole waterfront up for pennies (I have to get more…any…rich friends). The thing is, as population grows, you can not create waterfront. True all over the country. You can see it happening in Philly. What’s next, smart rich guys, should I buy up the lethal neighborhoods of Chester, PA?
    I had a great meal at Il Porto, right accross from the former JJ’s Navy Yard Lounge. They had an old woodcut map showing wallabout bay and I showed the waitress that we were sitting in former cornfields.

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    I usually do not create many responses, however i
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  9. Carmen Avatar
    Carmen

    I worked as a bartender at j.j’s (navy yard lounge).
    It was a great dive bar. Till this day mystique and I are great friends. I worked there in 06 til 09. When my boss Steve owned it he had it as a strip bar. Met some great people there. I can honestly say I miss it.

  10. RD Avatar
    RD

    Walked by today – sign is no longer there. Arm out of building is, but not the sign 🙁